the fbi calls you and says, we know this, you know this, no one else knows this, you're operating on one -- >> congressman becerra, get in the middle between those guys. >> there was a personal failing, a deep severe personal failing. does it break into the realm of the public world, the responsibilities that -- >> what about judgment? what about judgment. >> well, that's surely the point. >> isn't this the bottom line here. >> the american people are not moralous about this. they never gave up their affection for and job approval of bill clinton. this is a question of you want your cia director to have good judgment, is that asking too much? and this was obviously a case of bad judgment. there's a -- i would hope, by the way -- >> should it just be the cia director or anybody? where do you draw the line? >> i don't know where you draw the line but especially the cia director. this might also be a good time for the country to think about the militarization of the cia. i'm not sure we should have military leaders leading the cia >> that's been a long debate. that's why they wanted him